Originally posted by Furpo2Two flaws:Subsidence would create...

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    It would seem you were refering to me on the other thread Furpo, but I will respond here as this is where the disagreement over Ephesus was started.

    I am more travelled than most. Over ninety countries now and I can proudly say...none of them on a cruise ship.! Adding a few more later this year, I will be back in the middle east, but you are correct,  I haven't been to Ephusus.

    And I have never heard of Mt Knossos. Exactly where is that? I have been a number of times to Knossos on Crete and know it quite well.

    Actually I just looked it up... which I know you would find that amazing !  Especially given that I haven't even been there like you have.... to see the road to the port or where Mary lived!!  I know that would make all the difference.   BTW....It is Mt Koressos not Knossos.

    And By the way... The Mediterranean is to the WEST of Ephesus... not South.

    Regarding Ephusus, I note you couldn't even be bothered reading the paper presented to you.

    If you had you would have read this:

    " The variation of relative sea level and the westward migration ofthe shoreline since Antiquity have been studied byBrückner (2005)andPavlopoulos et al. (2012). Comparison of the apparent sea levelchanges with the values predicted by the regional model ofLambeck and Purcell (2005) indicates that subsidence of the coastline next to Ephesus since the classical period was of the order of 3e7 m. According to coring evidence and with respect to sealevel index points it seems that, in addition to eustatic sea level rise,there are max. 2 m of rise caused by subsidence.

    So it seems your education would appear to have been a useless exercise.

    There are references galore on the internet as to the silting of the river at Ephesus. Other than being factual, I couldn't care less why it ended up that way, but if it wasn't dropping sealevels then there is no point in claiming it was the reason for the abandonment of the port..

    As the river Cayster (Grk. name Κάϋστρος) silted up the old harbour, the resulting marshes caused malaria and many deaths among the inhabitants. Lysimachus forced the people to move from the ancient settlement around the temple of Artemis to the present site two kilometres (1.2 miles) away, when as a last resort the king flooded the old city by blocking the sewers.[26] The new settlement was officially called Arsinoea (Ancient Greek: Ἀρσινόεια[27] or Ἀρσινοΐα[28]) after the king's second wife, Arsinoe II of Egypt. After Lysimachus had destroyed the nearby cities of Lebedos and Colophon in 292 BC, he relocated their inhabitants to the new city.

    Ephesus reached to its height and was notorious for its wealth and luxury between 1-4 AD., especially during the reign of Augustus. During the period, the population of Ephesus increased to 225 000, and the city became the capital of the new Asia. By cleaning the river Caystros from the alluviums, the great trade port of Ephesus, a gateway to foreign countries, enriched the prosperity of the city and continued to thrive with commerce and culture.

    Ephesus became a state of Seljukian in the year of 1090, for a time was held by Byzantine. In 1307 Seljukians controlled the city again. However, years later, the River Caystros was silted up, leaving the site far inland. Therefore, the city of Ephesus has lost its significance, due to the development of the ports of Izmir and Kusadasi in sea-trade.

    port of ephesus

    Ephesus was a centre of travel and commerce with its one of the greatest seaports of the ancient world. The great port created a big city with over 250,000 inhabitants in Ephesus during the Roman time. There were three major roads from the Ephesus seaport; one road went south to the Meander Valley, another east towards Babylon via Laodicea and a third to the north via Smyrna. Because of the excellent port in Ephesus, the early Ionian colonists from Athens chose there as a trade-link city for transporting goods from the west to the Asian interior. Important items of trade around the Mediterranean were olive oil, animals, glass, stone such as marble, tiles etc, wine, grain, pottery vessels, metals such as iron, copper, lead, gold, tin etc and slaves.

    The port of Ephesus has silted up over the years and Ephesus is now about 6 miles inland from the coast. The area around Ephesus and harbor turned into a swamp. Mosquitoes increased more and more. A series of malaria epidemics decimated the population and the Ephesians abandoned the city almost in one hundred years. Earthquakes destroyed come part of Ephesus but the unhealthful conditions actually preserved the structures since nobody even wanted to come in and haul off the stones to build other cities. Instead of settling in Ephesus again, they found new port city for themselves and they called there “scala nuova” means new port. Life is still going on in Scala Nuova and it is one of the most popular Mediterranean ports in modern day and called as Kusadasi. Every day in summer cruise ships dock to Kusadasi port and many cruise guests love to visit old port city Ephesus which is inland.

    The port of Ephesus is at the end of the Arcadian Street (Harbor Street) which is in front of the Grand Theatre in Ephesus and waiting for excavations

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