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13/09/19
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That belief there you are exposing is the belief the jehovahs witnesses hold That Jesus is part of creation
Originally posted by angusmcfangledang:
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Beginning of the creation of God Rev 3:14 and the firstborn of creation, also in the mind and plans of God. Beginning of the creation of God Rev 3:14 and the firstborn of creation, also in the mind and plans of God. Fair enough But i cant agree with that That belief there you are exposing is the belief the jehovahs witnesses hold That Jesus is part of creation That text actually is referring to the sons pre existence,as the first born This text used on its own can appear to say what you are trying to convey But when all texts on the subject are used its clear this verse is used out of context. If you are part of the creation,you certainly cant claim divinity. And you certainly are not going to be able to be Gods son. Gods son was birthed,how that happened isnt given,and obviously is out of our mortal comprehension. Mankind corperately lost the right to eternal life. Created in the image of God. When man fell. The image of God was lost. Mankind was condemned to death. It would take one like God,to restore man to his former position. The new Adam. Gold for Gold. What you describe and are teaching ,is a lesser sacrifoce than that that was given. And im not condescending as i can tell your motives and beliefs are genuine. So please dont take what i said personally. The sacrifice had to be divine,not what you describe,is nothing more than what the pagans offer. A human sacrifice. This could never be classed as equal for equal. Jws will say Adam s needed to be replaced,so a human sacrifice was like for like. But the bible states that Gods son laid aside his divinty to take up humanity and redeem us back to the inage of God. This is what mankind lost. The image of God. Gods son,was the image of God. If he was created by God and part of creation,he was not the image of God. The Bible says,that as the father has life in himself (divinity)so has he given to the son to have life in himself (divinity). lucifer was the highest of the created beings He was an arch angel Yet he fell Adam was the image of God yet he fell It took one who was the image of God The bible says the express image of himself to redeem God could trust his son to act and represent himself here on earth as a human as if it was God himself. Jesus said If you have seen me You have seen the father. What you describe falls well short of that and is a human sacrifice thatwill not redeem nor restore the image of God and is nothing short of what the arian believing jehovahs witness believe.
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Yes...JW's believe that Christ is a created being JW's have many wonderful believers who are deceived by demonic inspired doctrine -- The Christian faith clearly teaches that Christ is Creator who came to earth in human flesh to save His Creation -- The Father, The Son (Christ), The Holy Spirit are One -- The Trinity Creator God Whoever rejects The Trinity ARE NOT CHRISTIAN but instead are purely a religious cult