hotcongo...yes i have read the posts :re pops this morning..glad that there was some help for you...re: tim...i do not know him personally but i feel that he is a very caring and generous person, to put up on the site that what he does...for the benifit of the forum.. re: professional traders..like anything..they have a job to do, and dont have the time to pussy foot around, as the markets move so quick..but i am sure when the markets are closed, they are just like everyone else... have a great day..