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a vote for abbott is a vote for malcolm anyway

  1. copperroad

    2,560 posts.

  2. Justis

    12,187 posts.

    AS that poll shows there are many voters who will not vote for Lib's while Abbott is leader, polls are close so if the Lib's keeping Abbott as leader risk losing the election.

    Apart from Abbott having a poor image he also has policies that people don't like like DAP and PPL, IMO Turnbull would scrap those, not sure Turnbull would stick with their NBN plan as it seems at odd's with his background.

    All very well to say Turnbull is part of the team but people expect a strong and credible leader, Abbott doesn't ct the mustard


  3. Zonetrader

    11,808 posts.

    Trouble is that Malcolm would want to continue pricing carbon just as Rudd is doing.

    Rudd hasn't axed a price on carbon - he has renamed it and it is likely to be even a bigger impost on Australians when it rises higher than our current carbon tax.


  4. Hanrahan

    30,965 posts.

    If the libs did a late switch like labor, a change to Malcolm would have an immediate hit, but who knows if it would be as much as the luvvies say. Could easily not be so much because many may be put off by the "knifing" and he is not so popular with conservatives.

    Would it be a lay down misere if Abbott had never replaced Turnbull? Of course not. He would have been subjected to the same relentless character assassination as Abbott has been subjected to. The irony is, would the left be saying "If only you had a real liberal like Abbott."

    Labor's spin and dirt machine is brutally effective.

  5. wooduk

    3,390 posts.

    you may well be right,but the electorate don'all read hotcopper.Mal needs to step up,but on lateline dismissed it

    However the voters in general do want Mal and Lemon head Dudd would be squashed like a lemon in the election
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    We want Malcolm Turnbull, voters say

    DateJuly 19, 2013 - 8:37AM



    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Coalition communications minister Malcolm Turnbull. A new poll shows the Coalition would win the election in a landslide with Mr Turnbull as leader.
    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Coalition communications minister Malcolm Turnbull. A new poll shows the Coalition would win the election in a landslide with Mr Turnbull as leader.
    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has played down a new opinion poll showing that the Coalition could win an election in a landslide if Malcolm Turnbull was leading the Liberal Party.

    A ReachTel poll for the Seven Network released on Friday shows the Coalition leading Labor 58 to 42 per cent, on a two-party preferred basis, with Mr Turnbull at the helm.

    With Mr Abbott in charge, the Coalition lead narrows to 51 to 49 per cent.

    The poll also shows Mr Turnbull leading Kevin Rudd as preferred prime minister 65 to 35 per cent against the Labor leader's 52 to 48 per cent advantage over Mr Abbott.

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    Conducted on Thursday night, the poll of 2922 residents nation-wide had a margin of error of 1.8 per cent.

    Mr Abbott dismissed the polling, saying the Liberal movement was a ''broad church and a big tent''.

    ''We can run a political party that has got room for more than just one big figure,'' Mr Abbott told reporters in Bundaberg on Friday.

    ''As we've seen from the Labor Party they just can't do that.''

    Earlier this week, Mr Turnbull conceded that he was more popular than Mr Abbott with some voters, but ruled out another tilt at the Liberal leadership.

    ''There are a lot of people out there who would rather I was leading the Liberal Party; it is ridiculous to deny that that's not happening,'' he said on Sunday on the Nine Network.

    ''If they think I am a person of capability and quality and so forth, they should be comforted by the fact that I am part of that team in a senior leadership position.

    ''So if you are a Malcolm Turnbull fan rather than a Tony Abbott fan, you may prefer Malcolm ... I was in the top job rather than Tony: I will be up the top table.''

    Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey on Friday backed up his leader saying Mr Abbott would take the Coalition to the next election.

    Responding to the poll, Mr Hockey defended Mr Abbott's leadership.

    ''Tony Abbott is the man, will be the man, will continue to be the man,'' Mr Hockey told the Seven Network.

    ''You can have whatever polls you want but the bottom line is we don't want to follow the path of the Labor Party which has selected Kevin Kardashian as leader.''
    Mr Hockey said he wasn't focused on polling.

    ''Our view is that you need to have someone who is going to be of substance and focused on the job at hand,'' he said.

    ''Malcolm Turnbull says that, I say that.''

    The latest downbeat data for Mr Abbott follows Monday's Fairfax-Nielsen poll showing the ALP's primary support up 10 percentage points to 39 per cent compared to the Coalition on 44, down three.

    That poll's two-party preferred numbers put Labor at 50 per cent, with the opposition also on 50 – the first time in three years that Labor no longer trails the Coalition on that metric.

    A Roy Morgan poll on its website on Thursday showed that Mr Turnbull was the preferred Liberal leader, 51 per cent to Mr Abbott on 16 per cent.


    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/we-want-malcolm-turnbull-voters-say-20130719-2q87x.html#ixzz2ZSyUzUv4

  6. Justis

    12,187 posts.

    hanrahan, voters had a very positive reaction to the rudd come back, the polls predicted it correctly and I imagine the polls would be on the mark in regards to Turnbull.

    Lib's could do this more cleanly if Abbott stepped down but I don't think it matters to voters, they don't like Abbott and they do like Turnbull

  7. Zonetrader

    11,808 posts.

    Wookuk - Turnbull polled dismally against Rudd last time they were both leaders. I think that's why 80% of leftie voters want him back as leader of the opposition. They don't want the libs to win.


    Before Turnbull was dumped:
    27-29 November 2009.... Rudd - 65.... Turnbull - 14

    A few months later:
    18-20 June 2010... Rudd - 46..... Abbott - 37

    Source: Newspoll archives

  8. Justis

    12,187 posts.

    zonetrader, that is history and not relevant today. Polls in November December had Gillard streets ahead of Abbott as preferred PM but that is not relevant now.

    Polls only give voting intention at the time, only the current polls are relevent

  9. wooduk

    3,390 posts.

    That's yesterdays news, what is this crap with lefties?, get with it people.

  10. Zonetrader

    11,808 posts.

    It might be old news, but Rudd is showing us that leopards don't change their spots.

    In any case it's mostly lefties here at HC who want Turnbull back. Not saying all, but the likes of Justis go on about it ad nauseum.

    From the article below - it shows 80% of labor voters are pulling Turnbull's points up even though they are not likely to ever vote for the coalition:

    "Of the Labor voters polled, 80?per cent – an increase of six points since March – backed Mr Turnbull as Liberal leader while 14?per cent preferred Tony Abbott.

    Among Coalition voters, Mr Turnbull’s support rose three points to 48?per cent while Mr Abbott’s slipped two points to 50?per cent. They are tied as preferred leader among Coalition voters."


    Go figure... it's not that hard...lol


    http://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/will-rudds-rise-trigger-a-coalition-leadership-spill/

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